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		<title>By: Blast Dorrough</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121220/first-loyalties#comment-17617</link>
		<dc:creator>Blast Dorrough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 23:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said, DHFabian.  Clinton sold out the working class by promoting and signing legislative fiction &quot;legalizing&quot; outsourcing of U.S. technology, jobs and manufacturing base to China and elsewhere for cheap labor.  That resulted to some 60,000 manufacturing plants being vacant today all across the USA.  If that is not defined treason under the Constitution then what is.  To get away from serfdom the Founders from all walks of life rose against the evil &quot;species of useless pomp&quot; and imagined nobility afflicted with hereditary privilege.  The Great Paine to Kingcrafters, Corporatecrafters and demonic Christiancrafters inspired the American Revolution via &quot;Common Sense.&quot;  Thomas Paine, the most influential on all other Founders from all walks of life, then closed his argument for armed conflict via &quot;Four Letters On Interesting Subjects&quot; written between May 22 and July 2, 1776, just days prior to the Declaration of Independence on July 4.  At the close of Letter III the Great Paine gave the omen of the political evil that we would face today by the usurped power of the evil Corporatecrafters still allied with demonic Christiancrafters:  &quot;As to Corporations themselves, they are without exception so many badges of kingly tyranny, and tend, like every other species of useless pomp, to the oppression and impoverishment of the place, without one single advantage arising from them. They keep up a perpetual spirit of distinction and faction, engross emoluments and advantages to themselves, which ought to be employed to better purposes, and generally get into quarrels and lawsuits with the other part of the inhabitants.  They diminish the freedom of every place where they exist....But of all Corporations that of Philadelphia is the most obnoxious, its power resembling that of an hermaphrodite, or is at least a kind of aristocratical Corporation made hereditary by adoption.&quot;  &quot;Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries.  A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.  Such a government will be best supported by protecting every citizen in the enjoyment of his religion, by neither invading the equal rights of any sect, nor suffering any sect to invade those of another....It is proper to take alarmat the first experiment on our liberties....Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other religions, may establish with the same ease any particular seft of Christians, in exclusion of all other sets? -- President4 James Madison, &quot;Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessment, 1785.&quot;  &quot;Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity.  What has been the effect of coercion?  To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.&quot; -- President3 Thomas Jefferson, &quot;Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVII.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, DHFabian.  Clinton sold out the working class by promoting and signing legislative fiction &#8220;legalizing&#8221; outsourcing of U.S. technology, jobs and manufacturing base to China and elsewhere for cheap labor.  That resulted to some 60,000 manufacturing plants being vacant today all across the USA.  If that is not defined treason under the Constitution then what is.  To get away from serfdom the Founders from all walks of life rose against the evil &#8220;species of useless pomp&#8221; and imagined nobility afflicted with hereditary privilege.  The Great Paine to Kingcrafters, Corporatecrafters and demonic Christiancrafters inspired the American Revolution via &#8220;Common Sense.&#8221;  Thomas Paine, the most influential on all other Founders from all walks of life, then closed his argument for armed conflict via &#8220;Four Letters On Interesting Subjects&#8221; written between May 22 and July 2, 1776, just days prior to the Declaration of Independence on July 4.  At the close of Letter III the Great Paine gave the omen of the political evil that we would face today by the usurped power of the evil Corporatecrafters still allied with demonic Christiancrafters:  &#8220;As to Corporations themselves, they are without exception so many badges of kingly tyranny, and tend, like every other species of useless pomp, to the oppression and impoverishment of the place, without one single advantage arising from them. They keep up a perpetual spirit of distinction and faction, engross emoluments and advantages to themselves, which ought to be employed to better purposes, and generally get into quarrels and lawsuits with the other part of the inhabitants.  They diminish the freedom of every place where they exist&#8230;.But of all Corporations that of Philadelphia is the most obnoxious, its power resembling that of an hermaphrodite, or is at least a kind of aristocratical Corporation made hereditary by adoption.&#8221;  &#8220;Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries.  A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.  Such a government will be best supported by protecting every citizen in the enjoyment of his religion, by neither invading the equal rights of any sect, nor suffering any sect to invade those of another&#8230;.It is proper to take alarmat the first experiment on our liberties&#8230;.Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other religions, may establish with the same ease any particular seft of Christians, in exclusion of all other sets? &#8212; President4 James Madison, &#8220;Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessment, 1785.&#8221;  &#8220;Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity.  What has been the effect of coercion?  To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.&#8221; &#8212; President3 Thomas Jefferson, &#8220;Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVII.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Blast Dorrough</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121220/first-loyalties#comment-15637</link>
		<dc:creator>Blast Dorrough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 21:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[W.D.: I recognized that BHO, not the GOP reprobates, put the Big Three on the &quot;table of sacrifice&quot; for designed privatization and destruction in the future.  The Bigs would have gone with the 2008 Wall Street Crash if the Bush2 White House of Crooks had been successful with proposed privatization of Social Security funds.  Apparently BHO&#039;s &quot;Offering&quot; of S.S. funds was a designed beginning of the end for the FDR New Deal.  Although I actively worked for his initial occupancy in the White House I failed to do so in the more recent campaign.  However, I did vote for him although feeling it was a wasted vote for the lesser of &quot;two evils.&quot;  I&#039;ve always had that &quot;feeling&quot; BHO was a Corporatecrafter.  Most Americans have no clue that the American Revolution was an uprising over the tyranny of Kingcrafters, Corporatecrafters and demonic Christiancrafters.  Thomas Paine, the most influential Founder on all others from all walks of life, inspired the American Revolution via &quot;Common Sense.&quot;  Paine closed his argument for armed conflict via &quot;Four Letters On Interesting Subjects&quot; written between May 22 and July 2, 1776 just two days prior to the U.S. Declaration of Independence on July 4.  At the close of Letter III, Paine branded the noted alliance as &quot;species of useless pomp&quot;, giving an omen of what we would face today: &quot;As to Corporations themselves, they are without exception so many badges of kingly tyranny, and tend, like every other &#039;species of useless pomp&#039;, to the oppression and impoverishment of the place, without one single advantage arising from them.  They keep up a perpetual spirit of distinction and faction, engross emoluments and advantages to themselves, which ought to be employed to better purposes, and generally get into quarrels and lawsuits with the other part of the inhabitants.  They diminish the freedom of every place where they exist....But of all Corporations that of Philadelphia is the most obnoxious, its power resembling that of an hermaphrodite, or is at least a kind of aristocratical Corporation made hereditary by adoption.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>W.D.: I recognized that BHO, not the GOP reprobates, put the Big Three on the &#8220;table of sacrifice&#8221; for designed privatization and destruction in the future.  The Bigs would have gone with the 2008 Wall Street Crash if the Bush2 White House of Crooks had been successful with proposed privatization of Social Security funds.  Apparently BHO&#8217;s &#8220;Offering&#8221; of S.S. funds was a designed beginning of the end for the FDR New Deal.  Although I actively worked for his initial occupancy in the White House I failed to do so in the more recent campaign.  However, I did vote for him although feeling it was a wasted vote for the lesser of &#8220;two evils.&#8221;  I&#8217;ve always had that &#8220;feeling&#8221; BHO was a Corporatecrafter.  Most Americans have no clue that the American Revolution was an uprising over the tyranny of Kingcrafters, Corporatecrafters and demonic Christiancrafters.  Thomas Paine, the most influential Founder on all others from all walks of life, inspired the American Revolution via &#8220;Common Sense.&#8221;  Paine closed his argument for armed conflict via &#8220;Four Letters On Interesting Subjects&#8221; written between May 22 and July 2, 1776 just two days prior to the U.S. Declaration of Independence on July 4.  At the close of Letter III, Paine branded the noted alliance as &#8220;species of useless pomp&#8221;, giving an omen of what we would face today: &#8220;As to Corporations themselves, they are without exception so many badges of kingly tyranny, and tend, like every other &#8216;species of useless pomp&#8217;, to the oppression and impoverishment of the place, without one single advantage arising from them.  They keep up a perpetual spirit of distinction and faction, engross emoluments and advantages to themselves, which ought to be employed to better purposes, and generally get into quarrels and lawsuits with the other part of the inhabitants.  They diminish the freedom of every place where they exist&#8230;.But of all Corporations that of Philadelphia is the most obnoxious, its power resembling that of an hermaphrodite, or is at least a kind of aristocratical Corporation made hereditary by adoption.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Guns Galore &#124; Thought FTW</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121220/first-loyalties#comment-14750</link>
		<dc:creator>Guns Galore &#124; Thought FTW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 20:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]  First Loyalties  When Mike Lux was a young organizer for Iowa Citizen Action Network, he was doing a lot of work on utility rate hikes. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  First Loyalties  When Mike Lux was a young organizer for Iowa Citizen Action Network, he was doing a lot of work on utility rate hikes. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Spieckerman</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121220/first-loyalties#comment-14695</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Spieckerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a retiree on Social Security, I will be carefully watching the vote on any bill that cuts the social safety net.  If it passes, I certainly will not donate to or vote for any Democratic legislator who voted for it, and I will not give the Democratic Party or any part of it--e.g., the DGA, the DCCC, etc.--further donations. Additionally, since the Democratic Party sees fit to go along with cutting my Social Security, I will be forced to cut down on my donations even to deserving Democrats who vote against the measure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a retiree on Social Security, I will be carefully watching the vote on any bill that cuts the social safety net.  If it passes, I certainly will not donate to or vote for any Democratic legislator who voted for it, and I will not give the Democratic Party or any part of it&#8211;e.g., the DGA, the DCCC, etc.&#8211;further donations. Additionally, since the Democratic Party sees fit to go along with cutting my Social Security, I will be forced to cut down on my donations even to deserving Democrats who vote against the measure.</p>
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		<title>By: ks</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121220/first-loyalties#comment-14628</link>
		<dc:creator>ks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The President is actively promoting Social Security and Medicare benefit cuts, not giving in to Republicans.  To be an effective advocate for the poor, the elderly, and the disabled, you must be honest about this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The President is actively promoting Social Security and Medicare benefit cuts, not giving in to Republicans.  To be an effective advocate for the poor, the elderly, and the disabled, you must be honest about this.</p>
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		<title>By: mike mclaughlin</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121220/first-loyalties#comment-14564</link>
		<dc:creator>mike mclaughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 04:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe: I will support, actively, the party, organization or movement that will bring the results you ably listed. The 
Democratic party,in its historical form, is dead-no argument . Grassroots efforts can not, I think, effectively enough, break through the top down political control evidenced in Washington today. Such populist energies must have, concurrently, a politically sophisticated, forceful counterpart on the hill. It was the properties of such a group that I was talking about in my last paragraph.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe: I will support, actively, the party, organization or movement that will bring the results you ably listed. The<br />
Democratic party,in its historical form, is dead-no argument . Grassroots efforts can not, I think, effectively enough, break through the top down political control evidenced in Washington today. Such populist energies must have, concurrently, a politically sophisticated, forceful counterpart on the hill. It was the properties of such a group that I was talking about in my last paragraph.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Ledermann</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121220/first-loyalties#comment-14541</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Ledermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 01:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE; Mike Lux

I agree that you have to have loyalties toward those people you care about most.  However, President Obama is not able to negotiate in a vacuum.  There are way too many progressives who took the 2010 campaign off and the net result is that Democratic Party  gains that were made in 2008 were lost in 2010 and then some.  If the Democrats held sway in both the House and Senate, he would not have to negotiate away some of the things we believe in.  

At all times in all elections we (progressives must be more committed and work harder to engage every one we can.  It is only then that we will have the government and the policies we want.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE; Mike Lux</p>
<p>I agree that you have to have loyalties toward those people you care about most.  However, President Obama is not able to negotiate in a vacuum.  There are way too many progressives who took the 2010 campaign off and the net result is that Democratic Party  gains that were made in 2008 were lost in 2010 and then some.  If the Democrats held sway in both the House and Senate, he would not have to negotiate away some of the things we believe in.  </p>
<p>At all times in all elections we (progressives must be more committed and work harder to engage every one we can.  It is only then that we will have the government and the policies we want.</p>
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		<title>By: William Davis</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121220/first-loyalties#comment-14533</link>
		<dc:creator>William Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 01:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Been with ya a while on this Mike, you had hoped it would not come to this, but it has been obvious to many for a while that Obama WANTS to do this. And Blast, you were just not paying attention in the lead up to the election, As Obama promised he would do just this, seek a bipartisan deal on debt reduction, and that included cuts to Social Security and Medicare, so quit being an Obamabot. 

Obama is at best, a blue dog Democrat anyway, Rahm and he were both supporters of Corporate America, just look at the deal they just did for HSBC to allow drug dealers and terrorists to buy off the government.

God save us all!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been with ya a while on this Mike, you had hoped it would not come to this, but it has been obvious to many for a while that Obama WANTS to do this. And Blast, you were just not paying attention in the lead up to the election, As Obama promised he would do just this, seek a bipartisan deal on debt reduction, and that included cuts to Social Security and Medicare, so quit being an Obamabot. </p>
<p>Obama is at best, a blue dog Democrat anyway, Rahm and he were both supporters of Corporate America, just look at the deal they just did for HSBC to allow drug dealers and terrorists to buy off the government.</p>
<p>God save us all!!</p>
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		<title>By: robert z</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121220/first-loyalties#comment-14532</link>
		<dc:creator>robert z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 01:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, the question is: just what can be done in reaction to the news that Obama (not surprisingly) is going to cut a deal that does a disservice to the normal folks who are just trying to make a go of it in this country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, the question is: just what can be done in reaction to the news that Obama (not surprisingly) is going to cut a deal that does a disservice to the normal folks who are just trying to make a go of it in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Firestone (LetsGetitDone)</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121220/first-loyalties#comment-14531</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Firestone (LetsGetitDone)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 00:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike, I&#039;m glad to see you write this and say that you&#039;ll put first things first. But let me point out that long as the Democrats and Obama think that us &quot;&#039;effin retards have&quot; nowhere to go, then we are indeed nowhere when it comes to being able to fight back effectively against Democrats selling out.

In the past few years, Democrats have sold out on getting rid of the filibuster, passage of an inadequate stimulus bill, passage of the ACA which is a bailout for the health insurance companies, passage of the CCR bill, which did nothing to limit the unconscionable interest rates on credit card charges, failure to the student loan program, a finreg bill that is a joke, failure to restore civil liberties violated by the patriot act, and later by the NDAA, failure to pass anything meaningful related to climate change, and of course, failure to punish the big banks and Wall Street for causing the crash of 2008 and for the mortgage and control frauds they&#039;ve all been practicing.

The truth is that the Democratic is no longer the instrument of the people. Our choices are to try to take back the party and purge it of its corporatist elements; or leave it en masse and join the Green Party, which seems ready to pass a Green New Deal, even if the Democratic Party is not. 

So, my question is: which course will you support? Either way, a new course will involve declaring independence from Barack Obama and rejecting any obligation to support him further. Let the Democrats and the President know that our loyalties are to the causes we fight for and not to the Democratic Party; and let them know that in 2014 we will be supporting candidates that support us; and working to defeat any Democrats who do not. Also, let them know that we will judge such support based in part on their willingness to stand with us and not with the President when it comes to deficit reduction and entitlement cuts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I&#8217;m glad to see you write this and say that you&#8217;ll put first things first. But let me point out that long as the Democrats and Obama think that us &#8220;&#8216;effin retards have&#8221; nowhere to go, then we are indeed nowhere when it comes to being able to fight back effectively against Democrats selling out.</p>
<p>In the past few years, Democrats have sold out on getting rid of the filibuster, passage of an inadequate stimulus bill, passage of the ACA which is a bailout for the health insurance companies, passage of the CCR bill, which did nothing to limit the unconscionable interest rates on credit card charges, failure to the student loan program, a finreg bill that is a joke, failure to restore civil liberties violated by the patriot act, and later by the NDAA, failure to pass anything meaningful related to climate change, and of course, failure to punish the big banks and Wall Street for causing the crash of 2008 and for the mortgage and control frauds they&#8217;ve all been practicing.</p>
<p>The truth is that the Democratic is no longer the instrument of the people. Our choices are to try to take back the party and purge it of its corporatist elements; or leave it en masse and join the Green Party, which seems ready to pass a Green New Deal, even if the Democratic Party is not. </p>
<p>So, my question is: which course will you support? Either way, a new course will involve declaring independence from Barack Obama and rejecting any obligation to support him further. Let the Democrats and the President know that our loyalties are to the causes we fight for and not to the Democratic Party; and let them know that in 2014 we will be supporting candidates that support us; and working to defeat any Democrats who do not. Also, let them know that we will judge such support based in part on their willingness to stand with us and not with the President when it comes to deficit reduction and entitlement cuts.</p>
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