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		<title>By: Terry Allen</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121210/gang-of-six-hold-the-progressive-position-on-taxes#comment-11910</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree.  If the job of Congress is to figure out how to raise the money we need and how to spend it appropriately, isn&#039;t it a little stupid to elect people who have pledged in advance that they will refuse to do either one of these things?

I mean, I figured out a pretty long time ago that &quot;waste, fraud and abuse&quot; was just political shorthand for &quot;programs I don&#039;t like&quot;.  So when I hear someone say that they&#039;re okay with being taxed, but they &#039;just&#039; don&#039;t like to see their taxes go to support &quot;waste, fraud and abuse&quot;...well, it&#039;s pretty easy to connect the dots.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  If the job of Congress is to figure out how to raise the money we need and how to spend it appropriately, isn&#8217;t it a little stupid to elect people who have pledged in advance that they will refuse to do either one of these things?</p>
<p>I mean, I figured out a pretty long time ago that &#8220;waste, fraud and abuse&#8221; was just political shorthand for &#8220;programs I don&#8217;t like&#8221;.  So when I hear someone say that they&#8217;re okay with being taxed, but they &#8216;just&#8217; don&#8217;t like to see their taxes go to support &#8220;waste, fraud and abuse&#8221;&#8230;well, it&#8217;s pretty easy to connect the dots.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Allen</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121210/gang-of-six-hold-the-progressive-position-on-taxes#comment-11619</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally, I think it should be up to the Republicans to show why the corporate tax rate shouldn&#039;t be 100%.  I&#039;m afraid there seems to me to be something fundamentally wrong with a corporation socking away larger and larger chunks of our wealth year by year.  As someone recently pointed out, Wal-Mart could establish a &quot;minimum wage&quot; for all its employees of $25,000 per year (roughly $12.50 per hour) and &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; be profitable.  Given that reality, can someone explain to be why its CEO and Board of Directors insist on gouging its own workers in the name of ever greater profits, and then leave us taxpayers to foot the bill for their medical needs?

Okay, I admit, I&#039;m not really that much of an idiot (although I do a pretty convincing imitation, don&#039;t you think?).  But this is the kind of initial negotiating position that the Democrats need to be presenting to the American people.  The real flaw in the argument I gave you above is of course that the CEO will simply take all the profit for himself, and justify it on the basis of &quot;my tax rate is lower than the company&#039;s tax rate, so it&#039;s just good business.&quot;  So here&#039;s rule #1: the maximum tax rate for individuals &lt;i&gt;must&lt;/i&gt; be higher -- painfully higher, in fact -- than the maximum tax rate for corporations.  CEOs must have a solid disincentive against robbing their company blind -- or so it would seem from recent history.  Maybe a good attention-getting maximum individual tax rate would be 70%?

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s an accident that the decline of the American economy and the erosion of the maximum ijndividual tax rate both started with Reagan -- and the one reversal in either trend that we can point to in recent history was coincident with a reversal of the &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; trend: that was the Clinton era.  It sounds so logical that &quot;people should get more of what they produce&quot;, doesn&#039;t it?  But it&#039;s the CEO and the board that decide how the profits get divided up, and the CEO doesn&#039;t really produce what his company produces.  For one thing, his company gets to write off all the costs of producing everything they made in a given year.  And that&#039;s one of the reasons I don&#039;t have much of a problem with the median corporate tax rate being a lot higher than the &lt;i&gt;median&lt;/i&gt; individual tax rate.  I mean, I&#039;d happily let you double &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; taxes if I only got taxed on the difference between my bank balance on December 31 and my bank balance on the preceding January 1.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think it should be up to the Republicans to show why the corporate tax rate shouldn&#8217;t be 100%.  I&#8217;m afraid there seems to me to be something fundamentally wrong with a corporation socking away larger and larger chunks of our wealth year by year.  As someone recently pointed out, Wal-Mart could establish a &#8220;minimum wage&#8221; for all its employees of $25,000 per year (roughly $12.50 per hour) and <i>still</i> be profitable.  Given that reality, can someone explain to be why its CEO and Board of Directors insist on gouging its own workers in the name of ever greater profits, and then leave us taxpayers to foot the bill for their medical needs?</p>
<p>Okay, I admit, I&#8217;m not really that much of an idiot (although I do a pretty convincing imitation, don&#8217;t you think?).  But this is the kind of initial negotiating position that the Democrats need to be presenting to the American people.  The real flaw in the argument I gave you above is of course that the CEO will simply take all the profit for himself, and justify it on the basis of &#8220;my tax rate is lower than the company&#8217;s tax rate, so it&#8217;s just good business.&#8221;  So here&#8217;s rule #1: the maximum tax rate for individuals <i>must</i> be higher &#8212; painfully higher, in fact &#8212; than the maximum tax rate for corporations.  CEOs must have a solid disincentive against robbing their company blind &#8212; or so it would seem from recent history.  Maybe a good attention-getting maximum individual tax rate would be 70%?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s an accident that the decline of the American economy and the erosion of the maximum ijndividual tax rate both started with Reagan &#8212; and the one reversal in either trend that we can point to in recent history was coincident with a reversal of the <i>other</i> trend: that was the Clinton era.  It sounds so logical that &#8220;people should get more of what they produce&#8221;, doesn&#8217;t it?  But it&#8217;s the CEO and the board that decide how the profits get divided up, and the CEO doesn&#8217;t really produce what his company produces.  For one thing, his company gets to write off all the costs of producing everything they made in a given year.  And that&#8217;s one of the reasons I don&#8217;t have much of a problem with the median corporate tax rate being a lot higher than the <i>median</i> individual tax rate.  I mean, I&#8217;d happily let you double <i>my</i> taxes if I only got taxed on the difference between my bank balance on December 31 and my bank balance on the preceding January 1.</p>
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		<title>By: clarence swinney</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121210/gang-of-six-hold-the-progressive-position-on-taxes#comment-11254</link>
		<dc:creator>clarence swinney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 15:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AMERICA SHAMEFUL RANKING IN OECD NATIONS
#1 Highest percent of workers in low pay jobs=44%
#2-Least tax on corporations as % of gdp
#3-Least tax (fed-state-local)on citizens as % of gdp=30%
#4 on Inequality from bottom 5 in 1980
What happened who is to blame?
David Jay Johnson reported on MSNBC that the average income of the bottom 90% has fallen back to the 1966 level in inflation adjusted  dollars. The Minimum wage has declined the same. 
A privatized system to redistribute upwards the top incomes zoom while middle class is stagnated in income and wealth.
It is outrageous not to tax those who have made ultra millions. Top 2% own 50% all financial wealth and get 30% all individual income. They includes incomes of 4000 Million 3000 Million, etc. One family own as as must wealth as bottom 90% of families.
10% own 73% net wealth—83% financial wealth and get 50 individual income. 

Reagan began flush up with 60 tax cut for top. Bush increased it with huge tax cut for top.
Republicans are party of Spend but borrow let  kids pay tomorrow. Democrats are the party of spend but get revenue(tax) to pay your way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AMERICA SHAMEFUL RANKING IN OECD NATIONS<br />
#1 Highest percent of workers in low pay jobs=44%<br />
#2-Least tax on corporations as % of gdp<br />
#3-Least tax (fed-state-local)on citizens as % of gdp=30%<br />
#4 on Inequality from bottom 5 in 1980<br />
What happened who is to blame?<br />
David Jay Johnson reported on MSNBC that the average income of the bottom 90% has fallen back to the 1966 level in inflation adjusted  dollars. The Minimum wage has declined the same.<br />
A privatized system to redistribute upwards the top incomes zoom while middle class is stagnated in income and wealth.<br />
It is outrageous not to tax those who have made ultra millions. Top 2% own 50% all financial wealth and get 30% all individual income. They includes incomes of 4000 Million 3000 Million, etc. One family own as as must wealth as bottom 90% of families.<br />
10% own 73% net wealth—83% financial wealth and get 50 individual income. </p>
<p>Reagan began flush up with 60 tax cut for top. Bush increased it with huge tax cut for top.<br />
Republicans are party of Spend but borrow let  kids pay tomorrow. Democrats are the party of spend but get revenue(tax) to pay your way.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlena Petrov</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121210/gang-of-six-hold-the-progressive-position-on-taxes#comment-11252</link>
		<dc:creator>Marlena Petrov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 14:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish one of these so called &quot;progressive&quot; groups would call out Grover Norquist and his &quot;pledge&quot; as treasonous, and all who signed as traitors. He is as much an enemy of the state as Osama bin Laden was...and has done much more damage]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish one of these so called &#8220;progressive&#8221; groups would call out Grover Norquist and his &#8220;pledge&#8221; as treasonous, and all who signed as traitors. He is as much an enemy of the state as Osama bin Laden was&#8230;and has done much more damage</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Allen</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121210/gang-of-six-hold-the-progressive-position-on-taxes#comment-11226</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All during the run-up to the original Bush tax cuts, we were told that it was &#039;only fair&#039; to give back to the richest 1% what they had &#039;overpaid&#039; toward our $10 trillion surplus.

Since we overshot the mark so spectacularly and are now in a $5 trillion hole, I fail to see why it isn;t equally &#039;fair&#039; to have them pay back a bit more than they were paying then (after all, the Republicans themselves have said our situation is now &#039;desperate&#039; and &#039;critical&#039;).

So yes, the new tax structure &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; be revenue positive, in the weird calculus that we use today in Washington.

And the corporations must contribute as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All during the run-up to the original Bush tax cuts, we were told that it was &#8216;only fair&#8217; to give back to the richest 1% what they had &#8216;overpaid&#8217; toward our $10 trillion surplus.</p>
<p>Since we overshot the mark so spectacularly and are now in a $5 trillion hole, I fail to see why it isn;t equally &#8216;fair&#8217; to have them pay back a bit more than they were paying then (after all, the Republicans themselves have said our situation is now &#8216;desperate&#8217; and &#8216;critical&#8217;).</p>
<p>So yes, the new tax structure <i>should</i> be revenue positive, in the weird calculus that we use today in Washington.</p>
<p>And the corporations must contribute as well.</p>
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		<title>By: ‘Gang Of Six’ Holds Progressive Line On Taxes &#124; digger666</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121210/gang-of-six-hold-the-progressive-position-on-taxes#comment-11174</link>
		<dc:creator>‘Gang Of Six’ Holds Progressive Line On Taxes &#124; digger666</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 09:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] ‘Gang Of Six’ Holds Progressive Line On Taxes &#8211; Isaiah J. Poole.  Reblogged from Campaign for America&#8217;s Future, PM Update, 10 December 2012 [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ‘Gang Of Six’ Holds Progressive Line On Taxes &#8211; Isaiah J. Poole.  Reblogged from Campaign for America&#8217;s Future, PM Update, 10 December 2012 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: marge watts</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121210/gang-of-six-hold-the-progressive-position-on-taxes#comment-11057</link>
		<dc:creator>marge watts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 02:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My Senator is Durbin  from Illinois and from what I gather he is a &quot;BLUE DOG&quot; claiming that we should look into lowering entitlements of the GOP does give a little up in tax breaks. Like social security and Medicare are an ENTITLEMENT. Would anyone like to see how much a year I pay out for Medicare, a supplement and a Plan D for meds. And SS doesn&#039;t give anyone that much back especially a single person who has paid into the system during their working year. GIVE THE PEOPLE A BREAK!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Senator is Durbin  from Illinois and from what I gather he is a &#8220;BLUE DOG&#8221; claiming that we should look into lowering entitlements of the GOP does give a little up in tax breaks. Like social security and Medicare are an ENTITLEMENT. Would anyone like to see how much a year I pay out for Medicare, a supplement and a Plan D for meds. And SS doesn&#8217;t give anyone that much back especially a single person who has paid into the system during their working year. GIVE THE PEOPLE A BREAK!</p>
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		<title>By: Carroll Johnson</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121210/gang-of-six-hold-the-progressive-position-on-taxes#comment-11037</link>
		<dc:creator>Carroll Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 00:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pray for me. I live in Texas. And over here in Northeast Texas my rep. is Louie Gomert!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pray for me. I live in Texas. And over here in Northeast Texas my rep. is Louie Gomert!</p>
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		<title>By: Maryann Moynihan</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121210/gang-of-six-hold-the-progressive-position-on-taxes#comment-11032</link>
		<dc:creator>Maryann Moynihan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 00:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You see the picture very clearly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You see the picture very clearly.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Morgan</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121210/gang-of-six-hold-the-progressive-position-on-taxes#comment-11016</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[even while we continue beating up the Bush(es).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>even while we continue beating up the Bush(es).</p>
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