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		<title>By: clarence swinney</title>
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		<dc:creator>clarence swinney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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why would any humane Christian desire to cut off essential life saving services for the poorest amongst thee? Only a Republican ??What would Jesus Christ say?????  “GET AWAY FROM ME YOU HEARTLESS ONES”?</p>
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		<title>By: Tosh</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121109/77194#comment-1661</link>
		<dc:creator>Tosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 01:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am part of the 38% of white folks over 39 who voted Democratic. I live with in a family that confirms your comments. Going back two generations this family has not liked the Democrats starting with FDR. It was a major shock when my father-in-law said he so admired RFK from what he saw on the inside of the Cuban Missile Crisis he would have voted for him. My youngest son had internships with the WSJ and National Review. My union member teacher wife hates unions, Go figure.  On my side I go back to my Dutch socialist
Grandmother and her husband who started a cottage business during the Great Depression.

Religion is one of the bigger factors in this group. Reliable evangelical voters. I suspect seeing the tendency toward hierarchical deference messaging aimed at the Religion industry might be only way to break this stranglehold. If the pastors get more progressive the flock will follow. They are that good at following. 

Part of the problem is the logic and rhetoric of the right are easy on the ears of safe comfortable white middle Americans such as these. They don&#039;t require anything much more that linear short term logic. Counter intuitive notions like Keynesian stimulus and demand curves are not as easy arguments to make. 

I suspect that another part of what is going on in this area is modern Protestantism doesn&#039;t do much to afflict the comfortable so they feel that God is on their side and we progressives are just heathens. 

What I am seeing is a lack of effective messaging. I also am and live with a fairly evangelical middle class family and getting through the white protestant religious messaging (reinforced ever week) will be a challenge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am part of the 38% of white folks over 39 who voted Democratic. I live with in a family that confirms your comments. Going back two generations this family has not liked the Democrats starting with FDR. It was a major shock when my father-in-law said he so admired RFK from what he saw on the inside of the Cuban Missile Crisis he would have voted for him. My youngest son had internships with the WSJ and National Review. My union member teacher wife hates unions, Go figure.  On my side I go back to my Dutch socialist<br />
Grandmother and her husband who started a cottage business during the Great Depression.</p>
<p>Religion is one of the bigger factors in this group. Reliable evangelical voters. I suspect seeing the tendency toward hierarchical deference messaging aimed at the Religion industry might be only way to break this stranglehold. If the pastors get more progressive the flock will follow. They are that good at following. </p>
<p>Part of the problem is the logic and rhetoric of the right are easy on the ears of safe comfortable white middle Americans such as these. They don&#8217;t require anything much more that linear short term logic. Counter intuitive notions like Keynesian stimulus and demand curves are not as easy arguments to make. </p>
<p>I suspect that another part of what is going on in this area is modern Protestantism doesn&#8217;t do much to afflict the comfortable so they feel that God is on their side and we progressives are just heathens. </p>
<p>What I am seeing is a lack of effective messaging. I also am and live with a fairly evangelical middle class family and getting through the white protestant religious messaging (reinforced ever week) will be a challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Marsh</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121109/77194#comment-1579</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 16:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you, but find it somewhat sad. I am now in that 65+ group, but certainly did not support the Romney/Ryan ticket.  As a former military guy, then college, and  two business careers after leaving the military--I have watched, and participated in politics for a long time.  These two have to have been the most dangerous, and most accomplished liars I have ever seen on the national stage.  I can sort of understand the &quot;angry white-man&quot;, but how a group of people, many of whom, must count, at least in some  part,  on Social Security and Medicare, could even consider voting for two people who made it clear that they were going to modify (eliminate-really), both programs, is beyond me--hate and stupidity overruling any common sense?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, but find it somewhat sad. I am now in that 65+ group, but certainly did not support the Romney/Ryan ticket.  As a former military guy, then college, and  two business careers after leaving the military&#8211;I have watched, and participated in politics for a long time.  These two have to have been the most dangerous, and most accomplished liars I have ever seen on the national stage.  I can sort of understand the &#8220;angry white-man&#8221;, but how a group of people, many of whom, must count, at least in some  part,  on Social Security and Medicare, could even consider voting for two people who made it clear that they were going to modify (eliminate-really), both programs, is beyond me&#8211;hate and stupidity overruling any common sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Donaldson</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121109/77194#comment-1552</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Donaldson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 14:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The GOP did a good job of scaring seniors with claims that Obama would cut $700 billion from Medicare in order to fund more folks on Medicaid, a sort of take from the seniors and give to the poor deal.

Since Medicaid already pays for more benefits (dental, etc.) and has less deductibles, co-pays, etc. than Medicare, seniors wonder why the government continues to enhance a free program (Medicaid) and cuts an earned benefit like Medicare.

Obama attributed comments on raising the retirement age to 69 or 70, hiking the Medicare age to 67, and even pushing up minimum Soc Sec age to 64, and other &quot;grand bargain&quot; BS, are considered unfair and threatening to seniors.

The elite have little problem subsidizing the poor, underpaid workers with government programs so they can show up for their slave wages jobs, but the same public officials care little about the old, who no longer work and contribute their sweat for peanuts to big business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The GOP did a good job of scaring seniors with claims that Obama would cut $700 billion from Medicare in order to fund more folks on Medicaid, a sort of take from the seniors and give to the poor deal.</p>
<p>Since Medicaid already pays for more benefits (dental, etc.) and has less deductibles, co-pays, etc. than Medicare, seniors wonder why the government continues to enhance a free program (Medicaid) and cuts an earned benefit like Medicare.</p>
<p>Obama attributed comments on raising the retirement age to 69 or 70, hiking the Medicare age to 67, and even pushing up minimum Soc Sec age to 64, and other &#8220;grand bargain&#8221; BS, are considered unfair and threatening to seniors.</p>
<p>The elite have little problem subsidizing the poor, underpaid workers with government programs so they can show up for their slave wages jobs, but the same public officials care little about the old, who no longer work and contribute their sweat for peanuts to big business.</p>
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		<title>By: John Pedler</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121109/77194#comment-1463</link>
		<dc:creator>John Pedler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 10:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As seen from Europe (JP Diplomatic Consultancy is currently based in France)

What interests me is that when I suggested back in 2008 that racism would be a major factor in the election of Obama  quite a number of nice people told me off saying - &#039;oh no you&#039;re out of date, there&#039;s very little racism now&#039;. When I remarked later that, given the domestic and foreign mess G W Bush left behind, a white candidate would have won a real landslide, I still got denials. But this time round there&#039;s far more awareness of the reality of racism and its effects on politics - reducing Obama&#039;s win and increasing the Republican/Democrat divide. And there is wide acceptance that Rove/Murdoch racist innuendo in their campaigns (Fox news, Fox radio, Murdoch papers) did do a lot once again to limit the extent of Obama&#039;s victory.

I suggest that this much wider acceptance of the continued reality of racism, conscious and sub-conscious) is a very healthy development for American democracy.
(In Europe racism is rife but is much complicated by our large number of Muslims - some black, but mostly Middle Easterners who exacerbate our exaggerated fears of Islam).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As seen from Europe (JP Diplomatic Consultancy is currently based in France)</p>
<p>What interests me is that when I suggested back in 2008 that racism would be a major factor in the election of Obama  quite a number of nice people told me off saying &#8211; &#8216;oh no you&#8217;re out of date, there&#8217;s very little racism now&#8217;. When I remarked later that, given the domestic and foreign mess G W Bush left behind, a white candidate would have won a real landslide, I still got denials. But this time round there&#8217;s far more awareness of the reality of racism and its effects on politics &#8211; reducing Obama&#8217;s win and increasing the Republican/Democrat divide. And there is wide acceptance that Rove/Murdoch racist innuendo in their campaigns (Fox news, Fox radio, Murdoch papers) did do a lot once again to limit the extent of Obama&#8217;s victory.</p>
<p>I suggest that this much wider acceptance of the continued reality of racism, conscious and sub-conscious) is a very healthy development for American democracy.<br />
(In Europe racism is rife but is much complicated by our large number of Muslims &#8211; some black, but mostly Middle Easterners who exacerbate our exaggerated fears of Islam).</p>
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		<title>By: patsy</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121109/77194#comment-1324</link>
		<dc:creator>patsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem is NOT all white people, NOT all elderly white people and NOT all  southern, elderly, white people.  You call &quot;those&quot; people racist as you cavalierly label groups of people racist.  And, about that comment &quot;old codgers&quot;.  The pot calling the kettle black.

From,

A southern, elderly, white woman, democrat, and proud supporter of our President.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is NOT all white people, NOT all elderly white people and NOT all  southern, elderly, white people.  You call &#8220;those&#8221; people racist as you cavalierly label groups of people racist.  And, about that comment &#8220;old codgers&#8221;.  The pot calling the kettle black.</p>
<p>From,</p>
<p>A southern, elderly, white woman, democrat, and proud supporter of our President.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Marshall</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121109/77194#comment-1307</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 22:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Digby, I don&#039;t think these young voters&#039; impulses will necessarily turn to a right like today&#039;s Rs as they age.  My example of what is possible is my own state of WA in this and recent elections.  Dems have and continue to dominate state politics, and local politics in all populated areas, and yet we have the most regressive tax system in the country, no state income tax, and we might never raise taxes again!  What we have is true Libertarianism: people won&#039;t throw money at social (or any) problems, and they want everybody to be free, even women.  This is the face of a Libertarianism women and educated people choose, fiscal conservatism and social liberalism.  Ecotopia, Peace, Choice and TEA all under one big secular/spiritual tent....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Digby, I don&#8217;t think these young voters&#8217; impulses will necessarily turn to a right like today&#8217;s Rs as they age.  My example of what is possible is my own state of WA in this and recent elections.  Dems have and continue to dominate state politics, and local politics in all populated areas, and yet we have the most regressive tax system in the country, no state income tax, and we might never raise taxes again!  What we have is true Libertarianism: people won&#8217;t throw money at social (or any) problems, and they want everybody to be free, even women.  This is the face of a Libertarianism women and educated people choose, fiscal conservatism and social liberalism.  Ecotopia, Peace, Choice and TEA all under one big secular/spiritual tent&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia Abbott</title>
		<link>http://blog.ourfuture.org/20121109/77194#comment-1302</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia Abbott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 21:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, racism is alive and much more predominant than you want to believe. Just get out there in rural areas and listen. Also read the comments section on right leaning websites, i.e, Glem Beck&#039;s The Blaze et al. Racism is frequent and blatant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, racism is alive and much more predominant than you want to believe. Just get out there in rural areas and listen. Also read the comments section on right leaning websites, i.e, Glem Beck&#8217;s The Blaze et al. Racism is frequent and blatant.</p>
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